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[tvordlj]

Well *i* don't, because the new law of the land doesn't apply to me personally. Canada legalizes same sex marriage! Only the third country in the world to do so, the others being Belgium and the Netherlands, and it's been a real political football. The biggest contention seems to be the term "marriage" which traditionalists still insist is one man and one woman for the procreation of children. So does that mean that childless couples' marriages are invalid? What about couples that marry later in life? Two men or women that love each other and have a strong stable relationship shouldn't call it a marriage when some people are living in the hell of domestic abuse or living with someone with addictions and that *is* marriage? Anyway, the law has changed and i for one support it. If we're going to break the tradition, why not break the traditional definition as well? Now, the law also states that religious institutions don't have to sanctify marriages if they don't want to so not every church is going to see same sex couples walking down the aisle. But you can get married in public spaces and at courthouses and city halls and it's legally binding and recognized across the country. Yay for Canada :)

Elsewhere in the news, a couple that held the police at bay in an armed standoff last year when they tried to take their baby away, were convicted of various child abduction and arms charges and sentenced yesterday. It's a long story. I still don't know why the police decided that 12:30 at night was a good time to barge in and try to take the child off them when their doctor had no reason to suspect the child was being mistreated. But Social Services determined they had to take the baby and the couple has a past history of instability. Well firing off a rifle in the air over the police sure didn't help their case lol anyway they've lost custody of the baby permanently now and are in jail. The mother is having a hunger strike but is apparently consuming supplement drinks and V8 (a vegetable juice). So *how* is that a hunger strike? My father lived on those supplement drinks for a month in the hospital! THey both come across as nutters but some feel that Social Services jumped the gun on this case but it's wagons circled around so nobody's getting any real explanation there.

Someone gave birth to a 13 pound 12 ounce baby in Milwaukee the other day. By Caesarian section. 3 WEEKS EARLY! Cripes! That child would have walked out if it had gone full term!

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[girfan.livejournal.com]

Someone gave birth to a 13 pound 12 ounce baby in Milwaukee the other day. By Caesarian section. 3 WEEKS EARLY! Cripes! That child would have walked out if it had gone full term!

The mother will be walking bow-legged for awhile! :0
Did the article say how large/tall the parents were (curious)?

[tvor.livejournal.com]

Didn't say but she didn't give birth to the baby (girl) naturally anyway. No surprise there! My best friend had a c-section with a 10 pound boy, his head was just too big

[acey.livejournal.com]

Yay for Canada! I'd not thought about the "marrying for the purposes of procreation" aspect of a religious wedding as it might apply to us old geezers marrying. But it's a moot point anyway as my second marriage was a civil ceremony. Very civil indeed :D

[abishag.livejournal.com]

You needn't worry anyway- even in the seventeenth century the Prayer Book instructed people to omit that bit about procreation and bringing up of children if the bride was past childbearing.

[acey.livejournal.com]

Whew :)

[aditi-.livejournal.com]

I guess if the baby was 13 lbs she'd almost hafta have a C-section!

[sammantha.livejournal.com]

well put it this way..if she had of had it vaginally, they'd probably have to sew her up really good if she wanted to feel any size pecker down there again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[abishag.livejournal.com]

This just makes me very grumpy about this country. We are *weird*.
What we are going to get is civil-partnerships for same-sex couples only, but just this week they announced that co-habiting mixed-sex couples would be getting the same legal rights as married couples "to take account of how society's attitudes had changed". People think there is something called commonlaw marriage, so we'll kind of make them right, but without defining any way of knowing who qualifies.
Yeah; brilliant and *so* supportive of stability.

[tvor.livejournal.com]

The way it is there now, even though people are living in common law, i.e. not legally married, if one passes away, i was told the other would not get any benefits or insurance. This way at least, if you register as a couple it must be legally binding for things like tax and estate things?

[abishag.livejournal.com]

Well I think you'd have to say would not necessatrily or automatically get this or that. But you can name anyone you want in your will or on an insurance, and case law has for years gradually increased the rights of people in a de facto partnership who can show evidence of this (and reduced the automatic rights of the legally married); whereas just being in the same house makes you liable to keep an unemployed or sick partner if of the opposite sex.

Which could certainly do with clarifying and simplifying. Except that saying gay couples can register but mixed couples can't, simply leaves everyone in the same muddled state, riddled with injustices, especially if you then proceed to abolish the distinction between married and not married, without defining what constitutes a marriage-like arrangement.
All too easy for people to mislead each other, or redefine their relationship as what suits them, or is to their advantage, but perhaps is unfair to the other partner. I think people should both knowingly decide to enter into something that confers legal rights and duties, not just find they have somehow acquired or incurred them without quite meaning to.
It's beyond me why they hedge consumer credit round with more safeguards than this area!

[tvor.livejournal.com]

Sounds like it's going to be a nightmare. So much easier to say that same sex couples can get married and couples that aren't legally married can register as a couple for government and tax benefits and be done with it. I do know that the UK government now allows post op transexuals to have their birth certificate changed to their new gender which would allow them to marry.

[psychfringe.livejournal.com]

yay canada!!
its wonderful:))